13 April 2009

Madness Monday, Samuel D Riddle


Samuel D Riddle was my mother-in-laws grandfather. I meet his son, her father, Samuel Clifton Riddle (in photo) on a couple occasions before he died. He was a honorary old man. Full of fire. A cowboy to the core who didn't understand the generations that followed him. The first time I meet him I think he was impressed that his grandson, my husband, was falling in love with a cowgirl. Back then I was thin and looked cute in the wrangler jeans and cowboy boots. But I was also a real cowgirl that got in the dirt with the animals. I was in FFA in high school at the time he first introduced us. Near the end he lived in an old camping trailer on one of the families properties. As long as his TV worked and he had his coffee he was happy. That's one of the last things I remember about him was his telling a family member that they needed to get him coffee. He was almost out. He died some time later and we never got back over there to visit him. I often regret that we didn't take the time to spend with him more. We moved to Idaho before he passed away and never saw him again.

With Samuel Clifton RIDDLE I was able to get a great deal of information on him. But it was his father Samuel D RIDDLE and his mother Daisy Dollie UNKOWN that keep my scratching my head.

Here is what I do know. Sam D RIDDLE was born about 1877 1,2,3,4 in KY the son of William M RIDDLE and Harriet F UNKOWN5 . He was married twice. The first marriage I have never found, it is only referenced to in the 1910 Federal Census that his then marriage of one year to Dollie was his second. This would mean that Sam and Dollie (Daisy) were married about 1909. I believe the most likely place was where I found them in the 1910 census in Wilson Twp, Atoka, OK. This census also helped to establish who Sam’s father was. Living with Sam and Daisy was William M RIDDLE, father, age 65, widowed born in NC and James A. H. RIDDLE brother, aged 40, widowed born in KY.

From there I was able to find Sam and Daisy again in the 1930 Census in Ponca, Kay, OK. Sam was 53 and his first marriage was at the age of 30, again confirming that there was a marriage prior to Daisy since he was about 32 when he married Daisy. This one also confirms that he was born in KY but this time gives me so much more. It lists his father as born in KY (ok so 1910 said NC, mistakes happen in these census records. It all depends on who gave the information) but this time also says he is of mixed blood but does not say what. Then it lists his mother as born in SC and that she is Choctaw Indian. This is the first real proof I found to back up what the family had been telling me for years that the Riddles were Native American. His wife Daisy is 40 married at age 18 (the age she was when she married Sam) born in OK, father no birth placed but again listed as mixed blood and mother no birth place but listed as Pottawamie. So again this confirms that Daisy is nearly full blooded Native American, though the family thought that she was full blooded I believe she was mixed, but nearly full. Children are Jewel J age 12, Samuel C age 10 (my husbands grandfather), Willie F age 6, Earl E age 3 6/12, which all of these children were confirmed by my mother-in-law as her Aunts and Uncles. But then we get one more little mystery also listed with the family as a daughter of Sam is a Bertha Keith age 19 married at age 18 born in OK. This would put her born just after the 1910 census. But here is the interesting part. The family doesn’t know her. They had never heard of Sam C’s sister Bertha. So what happened to Bertha? Oh boy just another mystery to solve. I’ll figure this one out later.

Then I find the family in the 1920 census in Jackson Twp, Coal, OK Sam is 43, Daisy 33, Bertha 9 (ok so here she is again and she is in fact their daughter), Jewel J 1 9/12, and Clifton less than a month old. This one didn’t tell me a whole lot other then just more proof of relationship.

Then I went back further in time to find Sam D Riddle with his parents in the 1880 census. For some reason I have never been able to find Sam D Riddle in the 1900 census. If I could I think it would begin to shed more light on vital information like giving me his month and year of birth, but so far no luck. So in 1880 I find the William M RIDDLE family in Tracey, Barren, KY. William M RIDDLE age 34, head, Farm laborer born in TN and parents in TN, wife Harriet F age 39 born in SC (which matches the 1930 census where Sam’s mother is listed as born in SC) and parents in SC, son James A age 13, KY, daughter Mary E age 9 KY, son John H age 7 KY, son Samuel D age 5 KY, and son Marian S age 1 KY.

I know it sounds like I have a lot on the Riddle family and I do, but only enough to show family relationships and approximate dates, but nothing that is full proof of birth, marriage or death. According to the family Samuel D RIDDLE died before 1945. I think my mother-in-law was basing that on the fact that she was told that Samuel D RIDDLE died before her mother and father were married in Mar 1945. I assume he died in OK as most of the family still lived in OK at that time. Though her parents Sam Clifton RIDDLE and Estelle Conner (in photo above) where living in and married in Phoenix, AZ in 1945.

I would like to be able to find proof of Samuel D RIDDLE’s birth, marriages and death dates and places. Likely places of birth would be Barren county, KY where I found the family in 1880. First marriage I really have no clue where is happened though then would have been about 1907 two years prior to his marriage to Daisy. Likely she died. Marriage to Daisy was most likely in 1909 in Atoka County, OK where I find them one year later. Then his death I explained in previous paragraph would have been before 1945 and most likely somewhere in OK, though the last known place was in 1930 in Kay County, OK.
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1 Ancestry.com, 1930 United States Federal Census, Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2002, Online publication - Ancestry.com. 1930 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2002.Original data - United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Fifteenth Census of the United States, 1930. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1930.T626, 2,667 rolls. Ponca City, Kay, Oklahoma, ED 42, roll 1909, page , image 333.0.
2 Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1880 United States Federal Census, Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005, Online publication - Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1880 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005. 1880 U.S. Census Index provided by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints © Copyright 1999 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. All use is subject to the limited use license and other terms and conditions applicable to this site.Original data - United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Tenth Census of the United States, 1880. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1880.T9, 1,454 rolls. Tracy, Barren, Kentucky, ED 12, roll T9_402, page 130.2000, image 0263.
3 Ancestry.com, 1910 United States Federal Census, Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006, Online publication - Ancestry.com. 1910 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006. For details on the contents of the film numbers, visit the following NARA web page: NARA.Original data - United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Thirteenth Census of the United States, 1910. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1910.T624, 1,178 rolls. Wilson, Atoka, Oklahoma, ED , roll T624_1242, part , page .
4 Ancestry.com, 1920 United States Federal Census, Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005, Year: 1920; Census Place: Jackson, Coal, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1457; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 214; Image: 853., Birth date: abt 1877Birth place: KentuckyResidence date: 1920Residence place: Jackson, Coal, Oklahoma.
5 Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1880 United States Federal Census, Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005, Online publication - Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1880 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005. 1880 U.S. Census Index provided by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints © Copyright 1999 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. All use is subject to the limited use license and other terms and conditions applicable to this site.Original data - United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Tenth Census of the United States, 1880. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1880.T9, 1,454 rolls. Tracy, Barren, Kentucky, ED 12, roll T9_402, page 130.2000, image 0263.

5 comments:

Teresa said...

Amy,
is this the same Samuel D Riddle that owned Man o'War?

amyrebba said...

Teresa,

I'm not familiar with that. Can you elaborate a little more?

amyrebba said...

Teresa,

I looked into Man o'War some, and from what I know of our Sam I don't believe he is the same as the Sam D Riddle that owned Man o'War.

amyrebba said...

Teresa,

I looked into Man o'War some, and from what I know of our Sam I don't believe he is the same as the Sam D Riddle that owned Man o'War.

amyrebba said...

I received a post today from someone who was very angry about my post on Sam Riddle. This person "alonghorn" claimed to know the Riddle family and said my mother-in-law didn't know what she was talking about. That may be. Which is why I am on this hunt. I have already found information that tells me that she didn't know it all. Including the jacket of papers from when his father applied for their Indian rights. That was quit interesting to read. I don't mean to offend anyone by digging into family history. There are just some of us that are trying to learn and fill in the gaps in our family history. My husband's family was very poor for a few generations. That they have so little left of those generations. My hope was that by posting what little we knew or remembered we would find someone with a dear kind heart willing to help us fill in the gaps we have. I apologize if I offended "alonghorn" I will not post the post as it was very angry. I do have an email attached to my profile. If you would like to discuss this further please contact me and I would be glad to discuss our family history. I don't have all the answer, just sharing what I can.

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