01 September 2010

Wordless Wednesday: Can you ID them?

Jean Carpenter and I have been trying to Identify everyone in this top photo. Hear is what we do know. The elderly woman in the center is Martha "Ellen" (McCombs) Hoard. We believe that this photo was taken in the 1940's. Ellen died in 1946 so it had to be before that. We also knew the woman on the far right to be Pearl. Then I went back to some of my known photographs to help me identify the others. From the photos below we can deduce that the man in the back, far right is probably Roy. His name is also written on the bottom of the photo, so I'm sure he is in the photo. Then based on my deduction of the photos below taken in 1961 of Ellen's children I believe the man on the far left to be Oscar. I also think that is the name someone tried to write on the bottom of the photo. It looks more like Osker, but was likely meant to be Oscar. Then the young man in the back, second from the left I believe is J.Y Gailey, one of Pearl's son's. Pearl also had a set of twins, Johnnie and Donnie. The young boy in the front looks a lot like J.Y and is likely to be one of the twins. The only other one that I can not really say for sure is the oldest looking gentleman in the back next to Roy. He looks to old to me to be Oscar and Roy's brother, Ernest. However this could also be their oldest brother George. I have no photos of George so I don't know what he looks like. Then the other tricky ID would be the young lady in the front. At first I thought this was Mary Celestia (Aunt Perky), but now I'm thinking this was my grandmother, Mary Ellen Hayes. Here is why; I believe this photo was likely taken not long before Ellen's death. She appears to be in poor health here. Her eyes are more sunken then in any other photo I've seen of her. If this was taken around 1945-46 my grandmother would have been about 14-15 years old. Aunt Perky would have been nearly 40, and Mary's mother, Lillie would have been around 36, so I know that girl has to be a granddaughter of Ellen. If you compare that to the photo of Mary Ellen Hayes taken when she was 15, it really looks like her.

This photo was given to me by a cousin, Dave McCombs a couple years ago, and I've been trying to figure out who everyone is every since, but after gathering all the these other photos from my Aunts I was able to make better conclusions on my identities then before. I've also gotten help from my mom to identify some of them.
This photo was taken in 1961. The women L to R are Pearl, Mary Celestia or Aunt Perky as we called her, and Lillie (my great grandmother). The men we weren't sure of the order at first, but after looking at other photographs I believe it is L to R: Oscar, Roy and Ernest. Roy I know is in the center and I really believe that Ernest is the one with his arms around the girls on the right based on the photograph at the bottom.
Mary Ellen Hayes, my grandmother at age 15.
This one was used to help identify one of the young men in the top photo. This was a known photo of J.Y. Gailey (bottom right) and his army friends. None of them are identified, but this was possibly WWII, so early 40's. He looks to be about the same age in the top photo.This one is a four generation photo of Emily Lutitia (Scott) Hoard, her son Thomas Hoard (the husband of Ellen above), his son Roy and Roy's daughter Fontana.
This was a known photo of Ernest Hoard.

24 August 2010

Tombstone Tuesday: Eli Assad

When I saw this I had to look into this a bit more. I wondered where the title Uncle came from. Was he someone's uncle or was he called uncle as a term of endearment? It turns out that he was an uncle.

Eli Assad arrived to the US from Turkey in 1900. He was living here at the mission in 1910 when he was enumerated as head of house hold. Living with him was his nephew Eli Jurdy who was 19 at the time, also from Turkey. Both of them were carpenters. This is all from the 1910 census of District 165, Mission, Kootenai, Idaho.

The mission was built between 1850-1853 and the Parish House was built in 1887. He was likely there to build or maintain the many other buildings that were on the property at one time. All other buildings are now gone.

Eli Assad was in the US for such a short time that not much can be found on him. On the other hand his nephew Eli Jurdy made his life here in the Kootenai County, Idaho area. In 1917 Elios Joseph Jurdy registered for WWI in Spirit Lake, Idaho. According to his registration he was born 10 August 1891. On the 12 May 1918 he married Rose M Rodgers in Spirit Lake, Kootenai County, Idaho. This record can be found in the marriage book at the County Courthouse located in Kootenai Co., ID in Volume 13 on Page 256. Then Rose and her whole family can be found in the 1920 census in Butte Ward 3a, Dist 207, Silver Bow County, MT. Eli Jurdy is living with his new wife in her families home. There are a total of 16 people in Dwelling 110. Salem and Anna Rodgers are her parents along with 10 siblings and one grandmother - Anna Farris. All of their roots go back to Syria. Most of the children were born in MT and a couple in PA. By the 1930 census Eli and Rose can again be found in Spirit Lake, Kootenai County, Idaho where they now have one daughter, Josephine (6) and a son, Raymond (1 1/2). Raymond is listed as being born in WA and Josephine in ID. So it's apparent that the family moved throughout the northwest. Likely to follow where there was work. He did everything it appears. In 1920 he was a smelter, in 1930 he was a laborer at the lumber mill. In1942 he registers again for another World War, WWII. He and Rose are now living at 815 5th St, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho.

This started out as a history search of Eli Assad, but turned into a history of his nephew. More can be found about Eli, who apparently died of tuberculosis, on the Assad and Brooten family website.

18 August 2010

1910 Fire: 100 Year Anniversary

Source: U.S. Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Online Catalog
Wallace, Idaho after the fire.

On August 20th and 21st of 1910, a century ago, the Great Fire of 1910 devastated the Inland Northwest, including North Idaho and Western Montana. More than one million acres of forest were burned. 86 people were known to have lost their lives due to the fire. Whole towns were burned to the ground before it was over, including Wallace, ID. The Great Fire was feed by smaller fires that actually began as early as May across the Bitterroot Mountains and the Cour d'Alene Forest. On the afternoon of August 20th, near Elk City, ID a great gust of wind helped to spur Mother Nature into an inferno feed by dry pine needles, leaves, brush and grass as the result of a very dry spring and summer. There are so many stories and photos to share on this centennial event.

I began putting this together earlier in the week and didn't have time to finish before my dear friend Mariam, writer of AnceStories, posted a great post:The Great Fire of 1910 Centennial Events and Articles. So I guess I better get busy and finish this, thanks for the motivation. :-)

The West Is Burning UP! An endless array of stories and photos of the 1910 Fire. There is also another link at the bottom of this article asking a very important question: Could the 1910 Fire Happen Again? It's something to think about. The answer is yes, but the likelihood is much slimmer due to the advancement in equipment and our forest practices. Also read stories from smoke jumpers.

Stories of survival: Families and the 1910 fire. A herring story given by the last known survivor of the fire. Lilly Cunningham was 3 years old at the time of the fire. She talks about how her family lost their homestead on Little Beaver Creek in Thompson, MT. But she also recalls how her father and brother ran to the aid of others neighbors to help them save the homes.

Wallace, Idaho after the 1910 Fire: Wallace is a quaint little mining town in Shoshone County, Idaho. It's known for the Sierra Silver mines. I have visited many times, and I love the little town. In 1910 it was nearly destroyed by the fire. Then in 1997 it was destroyed again on screen for the making of the movie "Dante's Peak." Thank goodness that was only in the movie. I'd hate to see this little town ever destroyed again. I also found out through the grape vine that Wallace is also having an event to remember that day.

When the Mountains Roared. More great photos and stories of the Wallace, ID area. That photo of the rail road after the fire is from this website.

Centennial Commemoration of the 1910 Fire: The Idaho Fire Chiefs are holds a Commemoration to honor the fallen of the 1910 fire.

Forest fire photos - near Scalplock Lookout: great photos of the devastation left by the 1910 Fire in Glacier National Park.

Sandpoint and Sagle, ID in the 1910 Fire: Many accounts leading up to the fire and of the fire, as well as some photos of damage that can still be seen today, 100 years after the fact.

Wordless Wednessday

Four Generations
Left to right: Emily (Scott) Hoard,
Thomas Hoard (Emily's son and my great great grandfather)
Roy Hoard (Thomas' son)
Fontana Hoard (Roy's daughter)

I don't know when or where this picture was taken, but I love it. It sits right in front of me every day on my desk. It reminds me that there is always more to their stories then just their data. Look at the old cabin behind them.

What I do know is that in 1920 Thomas and his family are enumerated in Benton, AR,though Roy is not with them. Then in 1925 Roy is enumerated in the 1925 Kansas State census in Butler, KS. In that census Fontana is five years old, which is about how old she looks in this photo. So it's very possible that this photo was taken around 1925 in KS at Roy's home, or possibly in Benton, AR where Emily lived most of her life and where Thomas was in 1920. I know he was in Oklahoma by 1930 though.

  1. Ancestry.com.. Kansas State Census Collection, 1855-1925 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2009. 1925 Kansas State Census. Microfilm reels K-1 – K-177. Kansas State Historical Society.
  2. Ancestry.com. 1920 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch. Original data: Fourteenth Census of the United States, 1920. (NARA microfilm publication T625, 2076 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C. For details on the contents of the film numbers, visit the following NARA web page: NARA. Note: Enumeration Districts 819-839 are on roll 323 (Chicago City). Year: 1920;Census Place: Dickson, Benton, Arkansas; Roll T625_54; Page: 3B; Enumeration District: 18; Image: 190.

17 August 2010

AnceStories: The Stories of My Ancestors: Online Genealogy Classes Available in Spokane Area

AnceStories: The Stories of My Ancestors: Online Genealogy Classes Available in Spokane Area

A good genealogy friend of mine is teaching classes in the Spokane, WA area on researching you ancestors. You'll enjoy her class! One is learning to research military records and the other is research of online records.

Tombston Tuesday: A Grave in the Wilderness

On Saturday my family and I took a bike ride on the Route of the Hiawatha. On August 20th and 21st of 1910 this area was devastated by fire. It killed 86 people and burned millions of acres of Montana and Idaho forests. From 1906-1911 the Pacific extension of the Chicago, Milwaukee and St Paul was being built through here. When the fire hit the area those that were working on the railroad jumped into rail cars and rode them to the safety of the tunnels.

In this case a man on one rail car panicked and jumped from the car, and died. The train continued to tunnel 20 where the rest of the passenger survived. Later the railroad workers went back and buried his body beside the rail, where a cross still marks the spot today. His name is unknown, but he was believed to be one of the railroad workers known as a "gandy dancers."

16 August 2010

Farragut Naval Base in Idaho

Farragut State park was once a Naval Base during WWII. It was opened in 1942. Due to the fear of more strikes on other shoreline bases this one was built inland near Bayview, ID along the shore of Lake Pend Oreille. Lake Pend Oreille offer an inland location with a lake that is deep enough for submarine testing. Today the submarines are subcontracted and not done by the military. The base it's self has been turned into a lovely state park. The Naval Brig is the only building still standing of the old base, that now serves as a museum to preserve the history of the base. You can read more about the history of the base here. If you would like to know more about the park for it's recreational value today, go here.

Below are two photos I took on our visit yesterday. The first is of my children standing in from the the statue that was erected to honor the Naval Sailors that lost their lives in WWII. On the face are more faces etched. No two are a like, and in the front on the ground are cement step stones with the impression of booted feet. Again no two are alike and they are suppose to represent the sailors standing at attention. The other photo is of my daughter riding my parents horse, Bunny. They brought the horses out where we spent a few hours riding the trails. It is absolutely beautiful there.

14 August 2010

Route of the Hiawatha

We took a bike ride in the mountains today. Now when we took off on this trip I was very apprehensive. I haven't had my bike out of the basement to ride in probably more than five years. I have enough trouble staying upright on my bike on level ground, and yet my husband thought that I would be just fine going down hill for 15 miles at a 2% grade. Okay so I hate to admit it, but he was right. I did just fine the whole day, and enjoyed myself the whole time.

The Route of the Hiawatha is full of history. It was once the Pacific extension of the Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Paul rail road line through the Bitterroot Mountains between Montana and Idaho. The old towns that once dotted the landscape along the rails are long since gone. Today it has been returned to the wilderness, except for the path that winds through Idaho from the Montana border near Roland to Pearson, Idaho. The old Rail Road tracks were removed and the path was made into a trail for bikers and hikers. The route includes seven high steel trestles and ten tunnels. All along the trail there are interpretive signs that tell of the history of this area.

Many nationalities were hired and worked on building the rail road from 1906-1911. The rail road used millions of workers at a cost of $260 million. The Milwaukee road finally went bankrupt in 1977 after many workers proudly kept her running for decades.

The Taft Tunnel was built from both the Idaho and Montana side at the same time. When it came together they were only a couple inches off. It is a very dark and wet 1.7 mile tunnel. I choose to walk instead of ride my bike when starting out in this tunnel at the beginning. When we went back through I dared to ride about half way before I again got off and walked again. It is very easy to get disoriented. It's very hard to see. The bike lights almost aren't enough to help you see. Not to mention it's in the 40's and very wet through the tunnel.

The most dominate historical event of this area would be the 1910 fire. It devastated over three million acres through Idaho and Montana on August 20 and 21st. It killed 86 people, one of whom was from this rail road. I'll show the marker of that grave later.

Left: One of the many trestles. Right: The Idaho side of the Taft Tunnel entrance.

Along the path are many interpretive signs. On the left speaks of the 1910 Fire, on the right is a funny account remembered by a rail road worker about one of it's more colorful characters Cora "Ma" Van Antwerp. She was the first station agent at Falcon.

One of the many beautiful views from the trail.

Left: My three angles (at least sometimes;-) just outside the Taft Tunnel in front of the beautiful waterfall. Right: Justin entertaining a chipmunk who came up to his hand thinking he was offering food, only to run away disappointed. The chipmunks were all over, begging and entertaining very well for their food.

09 August 2010

Madness Monday - Daisy Dollie Lee Dean Riddle 1890-1966

I've pulled up Daisy's file again, so I'm bringing this post back up. I really want to solve this mystery.

My next plan of attach:
  1. Find a marriage record for James J Dean and Mary. According to the 1900 census they were married for 13 years, so about 1887. The problem lies in where to look. She was born in IT, but we don't know her maiden name. He was from IL. Their oldest living son was born in MO (there were three other children not living by 1900) and by 1900 they are in KS. It's likely that they were married in the place their first child was born.
    But here is the interesting part. Ulias is likely not Mary's child, and Mary may be a second marriage for James. Ulias is 16 in the 1900 census and James and Mary had only been married for 13 years at that point. So it's likely that in MO James lost one wife (the mother of Ulias) and married another. Or the census record is wrong on the number of years that they had been married. If you take out the number of years, then everything else about Ulias lend to the idea that Mary is his mother. So it's possible that they had been married more like 18-17 years.
  2. Death records of Mary and James Dean. I have been unable to find James or Mary after the 1900 census. Starting with Cherokee County, KS I will search for any death records for them.
  3. Marriage record of Daisy Dean and Sam D Riddle. They were married about 1907. In 1910 they were in Atoka County, OK, so I will start there. Atoka Co., OK can also be considered as a possible death place for Mary and James Dean.

I mentioned Daisy Dollie Riddle a few weeks ago in another Madness Monday post when I wrote about her husband Sam D Riddle. At that time all I knew is that she was the second wife of Sam D Riddle. They were married about 1909 and that was based on the 1910 and 1930 census records. I also knew based on the California Death Index 1940-1997 that she was born 2 Oct 1890 in Oklahoma and died 27 April 1966 in Stanislaus, CA. One more piece of information from the 1930 census record further confirmed to me and the family that Daisy was most likely Native American. She was listed as born in OK, father of Mixed Blood (origin unknown) and mother was Pottawatomie.

After talking to my mother-in-law a few weeks ago she agreed to go to the court house, where they live and also where Daisy died, and obtain her death record. She called me this weekend to give me the details. From this Stanislaus County Death Certificate is further confirmed the birth and death dates above as well as giving me her full name which was Daisy Dollie Lee DEAN RIDDLE. I don't know how she ended up with so many names, but I suspect her parents likely named her Daisy Lee DEAN and Dollie was what everyone called her from what I understand. So when Uncle Bill reported on her death he just listed the whole name. It also listed her father as Jim DEAN and mother unknown.

She had lived in CA for 15 years and in Stanislaus County for five of those years. From Grandma Estelle's (the wife of Daisy's son Sam C) account of history they moved to CA and lived first around Bakersfield working in the fields and living in tents. It was a very hard life. It wasn't until her children were grown and on there own that Daisy had the privilege of living in a home with four walls and a roof over her head.

So with this new information I began looking for a Daisy DEAN with a father named Jim. I did find one family that fit. A 1900 Census from Salamanca, Cherokee Co., Kansas.

Name: Daisy Dean
Home in 1900: Salamanca, Cherokee, Kansas
Age: 8
Birth Date: Oct 1891
Birthplace: Arkansas
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Female
Relationship to head-of-house: Daughter
Father's Name: James J
Father's Birthplace: Illinois
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace: Indian Territory
Marital Status: Single
Residence : Columbus City, Cherokee, Kansas
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James J Dean 45
Mary Dean 32
Ulias Dean 16
Aura L Dean 11
Daisy Dean 8

The only problem with this is that Daisy's birth year is listed as 1891 not 1890 and her birth place is Arkansas not Oklahoma. But these mistakes happen in Census records all the time. The one thing I did find interesting is that her mother Mary was born in Indian Territory. This would lead me to believe there is a true connection here since we are looking for a mother of Pottawatomie blood born in OK. Based on the 1910 Census taken of Sam and Daisy just after they were married she listed her mother as born in OK and father born in IL which matches this family completely.

I also found another member on Ancestry that does have this same information and some other facts I'm not sure enough of it to post right now, but she did know from her family that the Daisy in her record did marry a Sam Riddle and that was about all she knew of the family. She also had the above family members listed. So I may or may not be on to something here, but at this point I haven't found anything more to confirm I have the right family.

27 July 2010

Tombstone Tuesday

This past Wednesday I took family that was visiting from out of town to the old Cataldo Mission. I knew there was a cemetery there and we all wanted to see it. What we didn't know is that there are two cemeteries. One was for those in good standing with the church, which is neat and clean and well cared for, though most of the stones are now gone. The other was for those that were not in good standing with the church. It is back on the hillside over the swamp. It had little individual plots and most of it is overgrown with bushes. Only a few were visible.

The not in Good Standing with the Church Cemetery

The main Church Cemetery

15 July 2010

Making Memories

It's summer time again! Since my husband and I work opposite shifts and I see so little of the kids during school time, we try to make the best of our weekends as a family. We've been exploring again! I love it and so do the kids.

My last post was on our visit to see the Civil War Reenactment in Spokane, WA in May. Then in June my husband's parents and grandmother were here visiting. We took them to see our own town. Here is my mother-in-law taking a photo of the falls here in town, while my boys enjoy the view. I believe my father-in-law was up on the deck going "put your hand in the strap. You don't want to loose that camera!" as she was leaning over the fence. There is never a lack for laughs with my in-laws. At moments they keep me shacking my head and then the next they have me laughing so hard. I'm a lucky gal to have in-laws I love.

The weekend after they were gone we went up to Metaline Falls in WA near the Canadian border. The first stop was at the Gardner Cave in the Campbell State park. Then we took a little hike up to the Canadian Border. I started out holding my five year old daughters hand to make sure she didn't fall. Eventually I realized that she was more sure footed than I was and was soon our running my big butt. On the way back the boys ran up ahead of us and had a laugh when it took my husband, myself and our daughter so long to meet them at the head of the trail. It's sad to say, but I'm out of shape, even though I have a physical job. Here are photos of the family at the Canadian Border.

The photo of the forest is to show the Canadian border. That's right, if you've never been to the Canadian border around a forested area, that is a strip of tree that is cleared out to mark the border. God forbid that our trees touch theirs. It reminds me of my kids. "Mom he's touching me!"

Then we still had time to go to the Dam near by. I forget the name of Dam. But I got some beautiful photos of the rainbows coming our of the Dam. We got lucky. They had the gates open so wide that it was flowing with full force. They said the weekend before they had them open all the way. There has just been so much rain fall up here.

We really had a lot of fun in one day. That is pretty evident by the smile on my son's face.

03 July 2010

Civil War Reenactment, Spokane, WA

I've been so busy these days that I've not had time to do much writing, but My family and I did have the privileged of going to a Civil War reenactment in Spokane, WA. We all had lots of fun and the kids learned a lot and asked lots of questions, like inquisitive minds often do. I put together a little slide show of our day. Enjoy!

21 April 2010

Wordless Wednesday, Graham headstone

James Holcomb Graham
My GGG Grandfather
Born Dec 22, 1852
Died Feb 3, 1909 in Bradley, Grady Co., OK

18 March 2010

Recommended Reading

With the launch of "Who do you think you are?" on NBC, I have seen a lot more activity in genealogy. I have gotten more requests for "HELP" and "What do you suggest?" So I thought I'd post some suggestions I have for helpful reading material if you are just beginning your search, or began a while back and are feeling overwhelmed with too much information.

  • The Organized Family Historian by Ann Carter Fleming. I have written several articles based off of this book in the past. As far as I'm concerned, it's a must have in any serious genealogy library. This book will help you find a way to organize and preserve all your family history, from heirlooms, photos, documents to your family tree.
  • The Unpuzzling Your Past WORKBOOK by Emily Ann Croom. I believe she also has a book that goes with this that will teach you even more, but I don't have it as I already have so many other books. But the work sheets in this book will help you get organized in your paperwork, do your research in an orderly fashion and organize you family history.
  • Becoming an Accredited Genealogist by Karren Clifford, AG. Though I have chosen to work toward my Certified Genealogist, CG, I found this book exceptionally helpful early on in my learning to do genealogy research and do it correctly, as well as writing reports correctly.
  • Evidence! Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian by Emily Shown Mills. Even if you do not pursue genealogy on a professional level, it is still imperative that you understand the importance of sourcing your information. Just because someone states an event as fact, does not make it fact, unless it is backed up by sources and documentation. This book will teach you how to source different documents types as well as how to analysis them.
  • Red Book by Alice Eichholz, PhD. Another must have. This book will help you as you move from one state to the next or from one county to the next, or as boundaries changed that effect your research.
Of course I have many more books here on my desk that I reference on a regular basis, but these are the more basic ones that are great for beginners.

10 February 2010

Family History Center, Hayden, Idaho

Yes, I've been very busy lately. Up until about three weeks ago I was working ten hour shifts as well as working on my customers families in what ever spare time I could find. Now we are lucky if we will get 24 hours a week at work. But that's okay. I need the time to catch up on my research at home and starting this month I'm busy with my ProGen Study group as well.

I had to make time to post this today though. I went yesterday to the Hayden, ID FHC branch. I had been there a couple others time, but with the kids. So I had never stayed long in the past. My daughter is now in preschool, so I was able to go there alone and not take along any disruptions.

I walked in and Julia introduced herself and asked what she could help me with. I told her about my current project in Lee Co., VA, but I didn't divulge the fact that this was a commissioned job. As some of you may have read before I had a less than pleasant experience with the local genealogical society while at the Hayden Lake Library because I do commissioned and volunteer work for others. Well after a bit I did tell her that it was a commissioned job, and her and another gal there said that was great! I couldn't believe my ears. They were supportive of the fact that I was helping others, even if I make some money at it. I even laughed and said, "I'm not getting rich at it, but it's finally great to make a little money at something I love to do so much."

Julia pulled down some books and we became more familiar with the geographical surroundings of Lee Co., VA. Then she took me to their computer room and we got to work. She first showed me, what I had yet to figure out on my own, how to look for microfilm that I may want to view, what numbers I needed and other information to place an order. Now I can do that part from home!!! Thanks Julia. Then to my surprise she started looking on different websites to see what she could find of the family I was working on. We actually found bits and pieces together on the family and I may have solved the one mystery of a mixed up spouse. Now I'm just waiting for the microfilm to come in so I can find the piece of proof I need to prove that mystery once and for all.

Then I got an even bigger surprise. I went in there expecting to pay for the microfilm. But no, not now!!! They have a benefactor (I don't know if that's just local or nation wide. I was too excited to ask) that was hoping by supporting them and covering those cost they would be able to get more patrons to come to the center and work on their family history. Surprisingly their visits really haven't increased, but maybe that will change eventually.

I will certainly be going back to the Hayden FHC. I enjoyed my two hours there and look forward to more. If I have a choice between the company and help of these lovely ladies over the attitude I get from one particular person at the Genealogical section at the Hayden Library, I will go to the FHC. By the way my issue isn't with all of Kootenai Genealogical Society. Some of those ladies were great as well, but I seem to keep running into the one who has an issue with me helping others.